. the republicans have moved to very different position. different from traditional cons ser have a tism. a sharply diminished role for government not like anything we have seen since the guilded age. they want to build up what has been a long consensus in our history from teddy roosevelt through reagan and george w. bush where they saw government doing certain things. bush prescription drug benefit and no child left behind. this election is a more fundamental choice than we have seen in the very lopping time. not unlike the gold water campaign where goldwater was out there with a hard position. obama mass a bad economy around his neck. underlying the cam bain is a deep philosophical. >> charlie:both people think they're on the winning side, do they not dan? >> you're absolutely right. both feel if the other side wins, it's the end of the america they believe in. if you go around and talk to people, so much of this is fear that the others might succeed. we did a polling project with the kaiser family foundation and one of the things it showed the deep division between the two parties, deeper than w